Abusing the A.I. on Laracast

@JeffreyWay I agree that limiting to paying subscribers isn’t the right way, but that it needs some sort of solution.

I made a suggestion in an earlier thread, which I still think makes sense: to make Lary a pre-forum ‘stopover’ that will only ever show up in the forums as a thread in specific circumstances. Anyone just looking for a quick bot-fix like Oxbir can get that and move on, and the forums won’t be flooded with terrible ‘questions’ like those quoted here.

@kokoshneta I agree with you and what you suggest in your earlier post. I think it's a good idea to let each user choose if he wants or doesn't want that Lary AI answers.

@JeffreyWay Hi

I swear to God, I don't mean to abuse.

I'm stuck somewhere, I don't know what to do these days.

God bless you don't block me

Let me ask a question to get my answer.

I don't know what they are saying. Or what kind of disease do they have?

@qom I don't understand your aim by creating several different accounts on Laracast. Why not only one account ?

@vincent15000 It’s the same account, he just changes the name regularly to avoid detection for a while.

@kokoshneta Oh I didn't ever noticed that it was possible to change the name.

@kokoshneta He has at least 4 accounts on Laracasts, and maybe more than 20 profiles on stackoverflow.

@MichalOravec Well, the same accounts, then. I don’t know how exactly he cycles through them, but he definitely reuses them by just changing the name from time to them.

@kokoshneta He has been using only this one for the last few months.

@qom You would get less hatred if you actually put some effort into your questions.

how to make MVC with database?

is an insult

@Snapey

Where is this an insult?

If you think it is an insult.

OK, I won't insult you anymore.

@jeffreyway God bless you, don't pay attention to them.

@qom as or to be a developer, you should put some own efforts to try before you ask, and more better study, practice and repeat until master it.... not to ask every single steps to solve your works..... there is nothing wrong to ask if you really face problems provided you have try hard to find the solutions before that.... but, it seem most of the question are very simple and fundamental if you have little basic programming skill you should know most of these if not all... it make people think that you tend to like you are getting someone hard work to solve your work so that you get the pay...

if you are not meant to be a developer, then hire someone to do it....

@siangboon I partly agree with your answer. Though I think one shouldn't necessarily reinvent the wheel. Of course, investing a few minutes into googling or reading the docs is expected. But I think your reply is kinda insulting, to be honest.

I'd rather have my employees ask each other, here or on SO than to waste hours or even days because they're stuck with a problem. While they're waiting for a reply, they should of course investigate their problem. But if they get an answer or a hint to the right direction, that's great. There are a ton of outdated results or answers simply ignoring useful features of the framework. The Laravel docs are great, but far from perfect.

I don't want to debate over the specific questions asked by the user, we've all been at points where we just face issues which seem to be stupid or have easy solutions, but we just can't get to them. I've used it to in another topic to get an idea about if something I have in mind is a proper solution.

Long story short: Please don't say that people aren't ment to be developers, because they ask seemingly "stupid" questions. Please consider that there are poeple who are actually not developers, but have to work on code anyway. At my previous workplace, I was a sysadmin don't knowing anything about ruby at all, but I had to modify the code base of an internal application because I had the time and no other developer, working on actual products, was familiar with ruby either.

Or as my loved mom always told me: If you don't have something nice to say, stfu.

@kiwi0134 With all due respect, your answer here is more insulting than siangboon’s to anyone who knows the history.

People generally do not have an issue with people asking ‘stupid’ questions here, as long as they ask them intelligently (doing what they can to be descriptive and detail what their problem is). This is an issue with this particular user.

Nearly all of his questions are extremely trivial PHP ‘issues’ along the lines of “how do I count the length of an array?” or “how do I create a variable?”; he never posts any context (and when on occasion he does, it’s usually supremely misleading – e.g., he’ll ask “how do I create a variable in PHP?”, but after 50 posts of trying to pull information out of him, it turns out what he’s trying to do is send an AJAX request in jQuery); he ignores when people try to help him and keeps copy-pasting non-working code from random places; he consistently refuses to put any kind of work into even the most basic research; and when people get fed up and stop trying to give helpful suggestions, he starts telling people to go kill themselves.

In short, he’s a troll of the worst kind.

@kiwi0134

we all started from newbie as well, I'm system admin before also, we knew exactly what the problem newbie will faced, but simply looking at the profile, joined more than 3 years and only completed 3 lessons but asked more than hundred of questions and the question also fundamental and some like step by step chaining questions...

I did ask simple or you called it "stupid" questions before but i tried many ways to get until I really stuck then only get help, that's how we all learned from mistakes....

I don't agreed wtih the suggestion that use A.I. Lary to only help those who paying users, but the reason why MichalOravec raised was because the A.I. services is not come with free, the more you use the more it charges, no one want to see this good services to be abused by someone who did not really appreciate it....

They are here to help people who really need help but not to help people who spoon feeding and expecting people to help to get pay... please respect those who really spent lot of their time here to help... they had been helping the forum here more than 5 years (without getting any pay, the success of this forum also because of their kindliness and dedicated ton of hours efforts) and I very rarely see any of them will simply questioning any single individual's problem/attitude in the forum.

back to the main point that you claimed that my reply is kinda of insulting people, i think this is your own point of view, my statement clearly stated that "IF" meant it is not a claim that he not tend to be or I may wrong, that just a suggestion if so... So, i think that it may be is your mind at certain degree or also consciously agreed with me or others in some points and think that he is not meant to be developers and keep asking "stupid" questions as you claimed but just because like you who actually not developers but have to work on code anyway...

@siangboon I absolutely get your points and I agree with the latest comment (the one I'm replying to right now). But at this point I just want to clarify that I actively wrote "stupid" in quotes. In addition, I clearly stated that I think, your comment might be insulting.

As said earlier, I partly agree with your comment. English isn't my primary language. I didn't meant to make any claims or state opinions as facts. If there were any misunderstandings due to my language barrier, I apologize.

@kiwi0134 you have to appreciate that this has been going on with this individual for years. Check his profile. That 5 digit exp level is just from asking the most basic questions .

They program via cut and paste then when it does not work they just post it here

The advent of Lary has just lowered the bar for what is being replied to, and if they don't understand the answer they just post it again.

Sometimes their grasp of the subject is so poor they copy an entire question (someone elses) off stack overflow and paste it here.

The result is a dumbing down of the forum to the detriment of us all.

@MichalOravec another way could also be to not answer him anymore ... well I have answered to him this morning ... but he will continue to have the AI answers ... one of his last post is about how to send requests to JavaScript ;)

@vincent15000 he has been developing in laravel several years. How would you feel if:

An electrician who has gone through their four year apprenticeship program and now is a journeyman electrician comes to your house and has to ask someone else how to change a light switch.

After several years of developing, the questions are still these simple questions, like the one you answered.

He should be at a point where he has almost no questions. Just my opinion.

Snapey summed it up good, he does mostly copy and paste, but never has learned any coding at all.

@michaloravec has all but begged him to take some lessons to learn.

@qom Why don’t you just use ChatGPT directly, since this seems to be what you’re using the forum and "Lary" for?

@martinbean Is he even "a user"? Cause there are various GitHub projects like Free GPT4 or similar names getting together various sites that make possible to ask AI, all under one API or frontend. These could be bunch of users asking these questions masked like this, we don't know. If it is truly just one user, he would of course just ask ChatGPT? But maybe I am totally wrong, he is a beginner, just doesn't know any better, is behind some kind of a state/school wall or who knows. Just these basic questions and the whole scheme has some kind of smell in it.

@Lukino He’s not a beginner, he’s been here for over three years. And from what I’ve seen, the questions seem to be asked with the same writing style, so suggests to me it’s one (extremely lazy) person, rather than some sort of shared account for getting around paying for A.I. services.

@jlrdw some schoolkid googled inertia and got this site. I doubt they did it because of AI

@Snapey Turns out it wasn’t even a school kid, but a spam bot…

@kokoshneta I am glad he did something. It's just ashamed some people abuse it.