Lazy People Piss Me Off

I see you posting/helping others out all the time, which is great, but sometimes you just got to pass certain questions up.. Especially when you know the person hasn't completed their due diligence.

Given that these forum are built around an educational resource, one which in a lot of ways targets those "learning from scratch", questions like these are likely to always be in abundance. That's also just sort of the nature of the beast.

That said, I've never considered abandoning these forums because of the lack of "quality questions."

If you care for my advice, I'd recommend focusing on questions which interest you or are at least well formed.

Yeah just focus on solid questions. This forum is a huge resource to people. The better we can do at submitting quality questions and getting quality answers, the more Laravel will continue to grow.

Thanks for your answers, but I just can't stand shitty lying people (like the given example), and I know, that's my issue, so let's leave it at that..

If this is going to be a, “What grinds my gears” thread, then one that gets me is when clients (or even people asking questions on forums) say, “I got an error message” but then don’t provide you the error message! That one boggles my mind. The error message is there for a reason!

To certain extent I agree with @Prez-Has-Left-The-Building :) Lately most of the posts have been like, give me a solution, i don't care about the details or the explanation.

At least 100 posts related to web middleware, care to do some debugging, or at-least search for old posts before starting a new one.

@Prez-Has-Left-The-Building you miss another great point of the Forum, my answer from another post: Some people take this stuff way too serious probably the Mac uses hehehe. I have been programming since the old DOS dbase 3 days so I find a lot of humor on this forum. Some of the questions really crack me up. And the answers some of them are real rib ticklers. Like a nested foreach statement with no thought whatsoever of pagination that is a gas. The inner foreach could have 5000 rows. That's just one example. Then I see a best answer for something like this, o man. So hey just sit back and enjoy. The forum is free and dude you cannot pay for some entertainment this good. Edit: but on a serious note like I said in another thread I appreciate all the work Taylor put into making the framework flexible I love the framework.

To add to this you can tell the folks who try before they ask a question, it's a pleasure if I or someone can get them the correct answer. I hate the ones that just ask how do I do that with no code or trying anything at all.
Could you put back in your removed example?
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@premsaurav I can understand the Middleware issue because of changes in 5.2 recently that through a lot of people off balance.
I'm waiting to see what @jekinney will reply here. It will probably be pretty good.

@jlrdw the forum is becoming more and more a place for lazy people to get free code rather than assistance. I don't mind the beginners, we've all been there, but low life people who act like you owe them something and lie right to your face, I have zero tolerance for that.

@Prez-Has-Left-The-Building I get very frustrated also with the modern world at times. We had a doorbell at the Humane Society made in a certain country, the doorbell only worked 2 months. I was so mad I said to my wife isn't any decent products made in the USA anymore. But at the end of the day I got over it and pressed on.
We had an old DVD VCR player that lasted around 15 years, finally had to give it up. A new one we got I believe we only got 17 months out of it before it quit working guess where it was made weird?

Lately I saw an old war movie which reminded me to chill and take it easy because the men and women who fought during World War II and all wars fought for freedom weather that freedom is used good or bad so I will not disgrace them by holding in anger at someone granted it's hard but I have to be that way.

You know who suffers most from your anger policy? You do. Some degree of ignorance is very healthy.

There's also one thing to understand. Those "lazy" questions are often asked by people who are unexperienced. They don't have skills, but want to build something difficult. Most of us were there. It's very likely that they are unconscious how much work something takes. Try to find other explanations before you call somebody "lazy".

There are also people who's thinking pattern is not logical enough for them to become a good developer. For me personally, great examples of those people are those who ask questions directly, by stating what they want to do, giving you their full task. They are unable to split their task to smaller parts. Think positive - they won't take your jobs!

Lol @jlrdw you pulled me in. Yeah moods is a big one. Sometimes I feel for the poster, sometimes I wish I didn't read it.

I get that feeling a lot that some want you to code it for them. When you direct them to a solution and they answer back as a smart ass.....

As I usually post that Google is a tough thing to use. Now that Jeffery did the chart series the group by dates questions are flooding in. Yet google it and the answer is right there for the taking. Love the bumps too. Like they are waiting.

That's why @mtmorris did a thread just to explain how to post a question.

@jlrdw I spend at least a couple of hours every day trying to help people, why am I doing that? I can instead spend that time working or spend it with friends and family instead of being lied to by some ungrateful #@!¤.

You're right and I'm over it, but I will take a life lesson from this.

@Prez-Has-Left-The-Building This is all your fault to be honest :P You have some expectations from people and you seem to not understand beginner's and/or some less skilled people's thinking patterns and motivations. This is you who fails here.

@jekinney I would have used my light flash in the sky like the bat light but it's daylight here. I couldn't have you being left out of this one.

@RoboRobok you're right, I expect people to behave somewhat decent and I hate people who lie, especially about stupid stuff that really doesn't even matter... just admit it so we can move on..

@Prez-Has-Left-The-Building You are pretty much like me, I'm getting mad about people not having qualities I praise. I understand your frustrations perfectly, trust me. But I'm learning to get over it and understand what drives people. I believe all people are good, but all people can easily get bad under some circumstances.

@RoboRobok the main reason this last incident got to me was because the guy lied straight out, which made me question why I'm wasting my time trying to help people? I'm over it now, but as I wrote earlier, I will take a life lesson from this.

I hate people that never finish their.....

Ask yourself why you are willing to help people so much. Is it because you are a good soul? I don't think so :)

@RoboRobok why can't I have a good soul? I don't think you know me well enough to judge that :) Anyways, I like helping people, and I also enjoy learning and by helping others I can sometimes tackle a problem that maybe I wouldn't come across normally and I have to look it up, try it and so on.. I find it a good/fun way to improve my skills and I get to help people, win-win :)

Hey @TheDeveloperFormerlyKnownAsPrez - you actually really helped me with a code example earlier. I appreciated that you didn't give me the final answer and I've learned a ton more through that.

It's probably frustrating having loads of people ask stupid questions on code, particularly if they're not willing to learn. Helping newer people is still a great thing to do though and it certainly helped me take a big leap forward in my learning. So thanks!

@TheDeveloperFormerlyKnownAsPrez is the deleted example belongs to me ??

@TheDeveloperFormerlyKnownAsPrez No - I don't know you at all. But you see, your help is not selfless. At all. You EXPECT people to be GRATEFUL to feel yourself better, don't deny that. Many people help others thinking they are angels, but they always have something for themselves from that. And in your case it's very obvious what is it.

@TheDeveloperFormerlyKnownAsPrez me and my wife have talked about something similar. I am not rich but if I did win the lottery and had a lot of money people we would want to help are the ones that try hard to help themselves, they are at least working at something. Not the lazy you know who's who don't work at all and Are Young able-bodied but yet on welfare and food stamps. I have no problem with someone who don't make enough to make ends meet and need food stamps at least they are still working. So I have same attitude towards helping on forum.
Of course I see some people helping no matter what if OP is pretty girl.

You can choose who to help and who to ignore, there's nothing wrong with it. If other people can do it, you can do it too. It's your choice.

Celebrities don't respond to comments and questions on social media, do you know why? It's not because they are insert insult here, it's just that they don't feel like it or choose not to do it. It's their choice if they want to respond or not. If they respond, cool, if not, cool. It doesn't matter how you feel.

If you do something, do it because you want to do it for yourself, not for anyone else. It doesn't matter what other people think of you anyway. No matter how good you are or how much you help, some people will just not like you for unknown reasons. Don't take anything personal. It's just how people work.

The world is a mysterious place!

@Laravelephant glad I could help and especially glad when people try for themselves and improve because of it :) Kudos to you.

@RoboRobok I never said my help was selfless!?.. in fact I did write that I get something out of it as well and that it is therefore a win-win. Also, I don't expect people to be grateful, I do however expect them to act like decent human beings. To clarify, if I'm spending my time trying to help you, that's because I chose to do it, I don't know you and I'm not getting paid for it, so don't expect me to do all the work for you, I don't owe you anything, and more importantly, don't treat me like a gullible little child and lie to me about stupid things.

@jlrdw exactly, I have the same attitude. As long as people want to work hard and try for themselves, I'm willing to do whatever that is in my power to help them on the way, but I do not like giving or receiving hand outs.

@Ruffles you have a good point and usually I can just move on, but this time it annoyed the hell out of me.

Anyways, thanks for all your feedback <3 Like I said in my OP, maybe I had just woken up on the wrong side of the bed and I let it bother me more than usual. It is all history now so I suggest we let this thread die.

Sorry, to lazy to read all the answers. Don't hate me because of this. but it's late at night. But on forums like these, where people come for help and advice, you can always encounter different types of people. Based on my experiences on forums like these I would say that there are 4 types:

1. The lazy ones that want code, not advice. They don't care about learning (bastards).
2. The beginners, people who just don't know where to look for something.
3. The people willing to learn, which can be helped by pointing them out in the right direction.
4. The people willing to learn but just don't understand something. These people can be helped by providing the code and explanation about the code.

Sometimes I'm #3 but I also can be #4 on some subjects.

If you encounter the first type of person (which you apparently hate :) ) you have the option to ignore them or just point them to a part of the documentation in which they can find an answer (what I usually do). Sometimes I'm like you and just want to say "fuck you, read the fucking documentation you lazy fuckface (+ bitchslap)". But this won't be appreciated so I just paste a link to a part of the documentation or ignore them :)

@TheDeveloperFormerlyKnownAsPrez I had someone knock on my door one time asking for money because they were hungry. I did not give them money but I was getting ready to eat lunch I offered to Nuke them a TV dinner also and give it to them with a plastic fork to take with them. He got mad and stomped off. And this is really a true story.