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Hamelraj's avatar

LARAVEL HOSTING PLACE MAKE ME MAD

I bought BLUEHOST to host my laravel application SHARED HOSTING when i buy they said Laravel will support in shared hosting i host my application its worked perfectly but suddnly i coudn;t access my application so i contact with them. they said we have to buy VPS or DEDICATED ....... its a cheating right :( :( :( for a small company which place to host. and we have some wordpress and some CMS system also so im really confuse next where to go ????? i guess our management throw me out soon :( why i choosed Laravel ???? which one is good for our company ???? what i do next ????

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bobbybouwmann's avatar

Well it's a known issue that laravel doesn't really work on shared hosting. You need ssh access which you don't have most of the time on shared hosting. You also need services like composer and newer PHP versions.

So, like I said before in another thread, you are better off setting up a VPS for your Laravel projects and host them yourself. If you really have no idea how to handle the server stuff you should take a look at https://forge.laravel.com For only $10 a month you get a complete system for deployment and spinning up new websites.

Tell your boss that you need to keep your WordPress and Laravel sites separated from each other.

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Hamelraj's avatar

@bobbybouwmann please help me on this we have 3 wordpress websites and two CMS webistes so i need host on same place reduce cost and i only developing some system using Laravel but now you are telling to use this $10 one but this forge will support for all my requirement is need to host wordpress webistes and cms websites and laravel ....? and one more what about Digital ocean ..... ???? and tell me 10$ only you sure ?????

rch's avatar

@hamelraj Forge is deployment system, it is not a hosting platform - you will still need to purchase a Cloud Hosting Account such as Amazon, Digital Ocean, Linode or a custom VPS.

Using the Forge service is simply a way to easily deploy your PHP Applications to your Cloud Hosting platforms through one central location, its especially useful for multiple websites/cms/blogs/etc.. and I think that is why @bobbybouwmann recommended it.

Since cloud hosting is fairly inexpensive and you don't seem to have a lot to host - utilizing Forge + Cloud would probably be a pretty inexpensive setup. I don't know the specifics of each of your sites and their needs, but I don't see 3 WP sites and 2 CMS being very expensive at all.

https://forge.laravel.com/features

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Hamelraj's avatar

Hey guys can i buy forge for one month to host then if we need only can buy that like that ???

jekinney's avatar

Now days hosts like digital ocean etc are just as expensive then shared hosting. Sometimes a bit more, but a hell of a lot less issues.

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Hamelraj's avatar

to run a ERP system which one is he best plan Digital ocean ?

bashy's avatar

Just have to find a good shared hosting service. I previously used this company https://hostpresto.com they have SSH access available and will setup a symlink for you to map your project to /public.

They have been around since 2001 and are still going strong.

Info about PHP hosting: https://hostpresto.com/php-hosting/

VPS or cloud hosting will always be better since you have full control over the server.

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Hamelraj's avatar

@bashy now which one is better ? which one is you are using ? why no one not intrest on Bluehost ?

bobbybouwmann's avatar

@Hamelraj Bluehost is optimized for WordPress hosting and not for Laravel!

Like @bashy said, it's better to use a VPS since you have full control over the software you run and how you deploy your applications.

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Hamelraj's avatar

@bobbybouwmann VPS in bluehost month 29$ so what Digital Ocean if we buy 10$. can we have any number of projects ? sorry im beginner for this hosting

MikeHopley's avatar

so what Digital Ocean if we buy 10$. can we have any number of projects ?

Yes, you can host as many websites as you like on a single Digital Ocean server ("droplet").

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bashy's avatar

@Hamelraj I only used them for clients' projects and I wouldn't use them personally because I have several dedicated servers for websites. Digital Ocean is good and quite mainstream. I use OVH for my dedicated servers but they also do VPS/Cloud.

It really depends on your experience with servers/hosting...

@MikeHopley Well, as much as the CPU/RAM/requests can handle :P

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peshmerge's avatar

I use VPSs from https://www.digitalocean.com/. It's amazing, because you have full control over your whole server. You are free to install what you want and also to use which caching modules you want. you can take plan with 5$ per month. It's really reliable and affordable.

Sure this option will be perfect if you are familiar with linux and all other hosting stuff. Because you need to install an open source hosting cms(like Cpanel) if you want to control your hosting graphically, not via command line.

I move all my clients websites slowly to digitalOcean because it's much better.

Check this tweet, you can notice the difference. https://twitter.com/peshmerge/status/734368024497664006

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jlrdw's avatar

@bobbybouwmann I don't know about that SSH thing but I have one site on GoDaddy shared hosting and have not had a single problem. So don't knock shared hosting just knock the ones that try to cheat people. I would definitely say check out a reputable shared host they should be ok just make sure they meet the system requirements.

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bobbybouwmann's avatar

@jlrdw I also gave a reason why shared hosting is not always good for you. One of those reasons is SSH and composer. I never said shared hosting doesn't have it, but most of the time it's limited or not available.

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bobbybouwmann's avatar

@Hamelraj Let me be honest with you.

I know you are struggling right now, but you really should learn these things for the future. It will also make you a better developer since you know how the servers work so you can use that in your advantage. It's a bit of a learning curve though.

For now I would advice you to work together with another agency in the aria or find someone who can set the servers up for you.

MikeHopley's avatar

security for our database all are same ?

That's a good question. And it's not just about security for the database, but for the whole server.

With any kind of managed hosting from a good web host, you should get decent security out the box. It is your web host's responsibility to secure the server. For example, shared hosting is somewhat secure because the web host manages the server.

With unmanaged hosting, it's your responsibility to secure the server. Bear in mind this is an ongoing responsibility, as you need to stay on top of new threats and patch the server accordingly.

For example, Digital Ocean only provides unmanaged hosting. That's why you can get such cheap VPS plans from them. Out the box, a Digital Ocean server is not very secure.

Laravel Forge provides some security, but not that much. It doesn't continuously patch your server when new threats are discovered.

Personally, I use ServerPilot, which is a security service for PHP websites. This gives me peace of mind that my Digital Ocean VPS is secure enough.

Hamelraj's avatar

DIgital Ocean has separately VPS ???? then 5$ and 10$ those not VPS??? @MikeHopley and other hosting services have support but here mail only for me which one is easy and cost effective and secure but all are suggesting Digital Ocean

MikeHopley's avatar

DIgital Ocean has separately VPS ???? then 5$ and 10$ those not VPS??? @MikeHopley and other hosting services have support but here mail only for me which one is easy and cost effective and secure but all are suggesting Digital Ocean

Digital Ocean only offers VPS.

So yes, the $5 and $10 options are VPS. But they are unmanaged VPS, which means you have full access to your server and you have full responsibility for it too.

Digital Ocean is great, but it requires a certain level of knowledge about running a server. Since you don't seem to have that level of knowledge, it may be better to go with a managed solution.

Managed solutions are much more expensive. If you want a managed VPS, it's not going to be cheap. A better option might be good shared hosting. I would recommend Site5; I used their shared hosting for years.

Alternatively, you can try learning about server management, and go with Digital Ocean.

As I've already said, my personal setup is Digital Ocean + ServerPilot. I find this gives me the perfect balance: I have full (root) access to the server, but I don't have to worry about securing it.

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Hamelraj's avatar

Suggest me anyone.....

This is shipping company im developeing a system like ERP with documents generating, uploading details about the clients,about the vessels, clearing, forwarding details.and give access to the clients them to check their ships details and clearing and forwarding. (real time)

please suggest me which plan and which hosting (secure) is suitable for me. give me short and final idea to take a final decision with our management please. need a database backups also () Why im asking is i had a bad experience so i stuck with our management guide me im new to all this stuff

@bashy @bobbybouwmann frnd->@SaeedPrez @MikeHopley

MikeHopley's avatar

Honestly, I think you need to get someone involved who has more experience in this area.

Failing that, my best suggestion would be the Site5 "hostPro + turbo" plan. At least with a shared host you get technical support and your server will be managed by people who actually know what they are doing.

Pinging everyone (like this, @Hamelraj) all the time is unhelpful. Especially avoid pinging Jeffrey unless you have a very good reason.

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suncoastkid's avatar

I host some Laravel apps on Bluehost. It's not hard. Just set your paths correctly and you're good to go.

SaeedPrez's avatar

@Hamelraj with the limited knowledge you have, you're probably better off starting with a decent shared hosting provider where you can get the support you need. You've got a couple of suggestions in this thread, Site5.com and HostPresto.

You should contact both their supports, tell them what you need and see what they can offer you. Then you can decide which one is better for your company.

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peshmerge's avatar

@Hamelraj Sorry I am a bit late, but I see that other guys have answered your question and covered all points . I have almost the same to say about that.

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Hamelraj's avatar

Thanks for you all the valuable comments and ideas........

wottavm's avatar

Well maybe it is an idea to look at https://neostrada.uk / https://neostrada.nl. It is a dutch and uk based company which has normal webhosting, premium hosting, reseller, and cloud ssd.

You can easily set up a laravel site using the software installer. You may need to mail them to allow ssh, but if it is available you can ssh to : ssh -p 4000 [email protected].

It has composer already available just as you would on a local enviroment.

just check if out and see if you find it interesting.

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