One of the reasons that I decided to adopt Laravel at our company for projects, over Symfony was because of a series of appalling experiences with Sensio Labs (in the UK) regarding training events.
We repeatedly tried to enroll on training events that they cover and despite constant e-mails, calls, and online chats, they simply couldn't communicate the most basic of information to us. It left such a bitter taste that in the end we decided to go with Laravel. Although Laravel doesn't have official training events run by its creator(s) (they should!), what it does have is a growing active community who is behind a great product.
@DMA All the big names in the Laravel community go to the Laracons and they give awesome speeches! So there is a way to keep up with the new stuff. There are also a lot of local meetups between developers where you can learn a lot, so if you want to learn more or do something extra try a meetup ;)
@blackbird, way ahead of you :) I've already got my ticket for Laracon EU sorted, and am part of the Laravel London meetup group. I'm sure it's in the pipelines, but more official training (paid for of course) organised directly by Taylor and the creators would be great.
I didn't even realise this had replies. I'm sticking with Laravel personally, I like it. The more I'm learning about L5, the more benefits I'm seeing. And personally, I'm not really noticing any productivity loss. Shame I have no influence over decisions made higher up at the company I work for.
We use Laravel for all our projects. L4 was driving every single app we created and we were skeptical of L5. But Jeff makes it a walk in the park. We are planning to build all our future projects in L5. I would say, do not get intimidated, its basically the same. Just give it a try.
I think you misinterpreted that @vincej. I'm fairly certain @pmall was suggesting that nothing is more complicated with L5 than in L4 (he said with, not than).
@JeffreyWay "Symfony is far more confusing than Laravel." so basically you're saying that frameworks are all confusing, but symfony confuses people more? in what way is that framework more confusing than laravel? you have said actually many times in the podcast, but never gave a detailed explanation, and i am curious to understand, how someone would be more confused, because i switch between those two with ease.
i am not challenging his opinion, i want to understand it and why? well because i want to understand something i obviously do not get about symfony being more confusing than laravel. i am not a native speaker of english language so i might have phrased my question wrong and if it's against the guidelines to "dredged up a seven month old topic", then i am truly sorry.
This makes absolutely no sense to me neither with laravel you can use as little or as much as you need I don't even use eloquent I mostly use the query builder and regular queries. I stay away from some of those fancy dancy polymorphic morph, multi relationship things but I have absolutely no problem using Laravel. That's the one good thing about it you can make it hard or simple is very flexible to use. I am an old x dbase 3 programmer, I can write regular queries.
To be honest, there are many factors that can be used in selecting an appropriate framework for a project. That being said, when it comes to symfony 2 vs laravel 5, its a tough call. Major factors being :
Your programming background (if you are coming from C.I you are likely to prefer Laravel because of its resemblance though it is much much better than CI)
The fact that Laravel uses symfony2 bundle and also extends them (some people might feel the need to just use symfony directly)
Admin Generator BIG factors for project that have limited development time.
