laravel , php , java ,salaries , jobs and depression

You have two options 1 - keep crying 2- try to fix it and make your effort PHP isnt the one to blame ...

@lifesound Take a look at the PHP community for example. You can definitely make money in the PHP world. Take for example these sites and owners:

• laracasts.com (Jeffrey Way)
• forge.laravel.com (Taylor Otwell)
• envoyer.laravel.com (Taylor Otwell)
• thephpleague.com (Multiple developers)

I can give you more and more examples, but you probably get the idea ;)

I'm a full-time Laravel developer, although I have experience in other technologies as well, PHP is what I do and have been doing for some time now.

I've had a tough life for the last four years. Working part-time jobs and getting through my bachelors in CS.

Two months ago, I received gracious full-time offers from almost every big IT firm in the country and I graduated with the highest salary in my class, by a wide margin in fact. And I didn't graduate magna cum laude or anything.

BELIEVE ME bro, you can only rise when you hit rock bottom. PHP is literally just a tool.

Thx all My love to laracasts prevents me from changing .. But afraid

You wanted to say "highest grade" and not "highest salary" right? If not then can you explain. I'm interested how that works since I've never heard about something like that in my country. Thanks.

It won't do you any harm to learn other languages too - just in your spare time (assuming you have some!) :-) Give Java or Ruby/Rails a try - java syntax isn't too far off PHP these days (for better or worse!). Have a look at the spark framework for instance - it should be understandable :-) Hopefully the introductory rails guide is familiar too :-)

If you know PHP and some Java or Ruby you will, at the very least, be pretty employable for years to come :-)

What you just said is what 80% of PHP developers know is true, but won't accept it, because they love PHP.

You came to the PHP forums and asked if you failed by choosing PHP, what answer do you expect? And I believe that you would have had much more success on NodeJS, Java or even Ruby, because let's face it, not many companies prefer PHP, and the amount of BIG companies who offer PHP jobs is like non-existent (there are still exceptions).

Sure, people can say PHP is just a language like Java and can accomplish same things as other languages, and that is true, but they are forgetting that not many people offer PHP jobs. I know the facts, yes, huge percentage of websites are using PHP, but go to stackshare.io and check out how many companies are actually using PHP in real life big projects.

I am doing PHP and web design because it's calming me down and is easy to use, and freelancing ofcourse. But I am doing Java/Javascript for my college needs every day and seeing how many companies offer Java position over PHP, I think I'll stick with PHP just for my personal projects. You can still change. And by change - I mean that you can still learn another language and work with Rails for example, and do Laravel in your free time. That way, if you find opportunity to work on RoR, you could do it!

I suggest that you don't limit yourself to PHP.

thx all, note that time is limited.

@jcrnkovic why all speak about RoR i know java is portable .. no 1 worldwide python is for google

but why ruby??

Rails is just quite popular - it is similar-ish to Laravel too so a lot of skills and concepts are transferable. Different sectors favour different languages too - so, say, science & engineering you'll see a lot more Fortran and Python code than Java for instance, in banking you'll see a lot of java, maybe still Cobol and possibly some 'R'.

So if you have a sector in mind (or your local area is dominated by one), it's worth having a look at the languages that are preferred there.

PHP is not the issue. PHP is widely used for web development and you have plenty jobs there. If you want to be working for big data companies (the new trend) then maybe Java with Apache Spark would be a better choice.

Just ask yourself what you want to do and stick to it... Wanting to be a solution architect or an expert in development is not the same. Not mutually exclusive but really hard to become both in a blink of an eye.

A "failure" doesn't mean you were wrong. Do make your own decisions and don't give up.

IMHO, the language you use is just the semantic method you use to accomplish the given goal. I use Laravel for quick, easy projects at work. But some things require other languages due to support or maintainability issues. Throughout my career, I have leveraged PHP/Laravel, JavaScript, VBScript, .NET, Java, Groovy, Go, Perl, Shell, and others that are proprietary to the platform in question.

My advice is that you learn several languages while keeping a focus on how to deliver the best results with the varied tools in your kit.

Hi! This article has some great statistics about salary, maybe it could be useful for you: https://www.n-ix.com/front-end-developers-eastern-europe/